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This podcast is about helping industry-leading entrepreneurs, just like you, unlock the secrets to healing your nervous system, paving the way for more profit and peace in business, life, relationships and health. It offers a safe space where we will go beyond basic business strategy and personal development. We're here to cut out the BS and create a life and business that you freaking love! Expect raw and unfiltered conversations and leave each episode with a treasure box of tips, insights and a tribe of like-minded souls.
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Ep 39. Overcoming Chronic Pain & Migraines with Brenda Flores
We explore how conventional medicine sometimes misses the mark on the root causes of pain, offering a fresh perspective for those seeking more than symptom management. This episode features an epic convo with Brenda Flores, founder of Two Moons Studio, who shares her personal journey with persistent migraines and pseudo seizures. Brenda opens up about her experiences with conditions often dismissed as psychological and introduces us to the potential of spinal energetics.
Ever feel trapped in the relentless hustle of entrepreneurship and perfectionism, constantly pressured to achieve? Join us as we unpack the impact of an entrepreneurial upbringing on success and self-worth. Brenda and I explore how childhood experiences can fuel anxiety and burnout, while advocating for a more balanced approach that prioritizes well-being over nonstop striving.
We also dive into holistic healing, ancestral support, and the power of connection, sharing practical insights. By confronting inherited emotional patterns, we turn pain into growth and self-awareness, wrapping up with joy.
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Welcome to the Calm CEO podcast. I'm your host, amanda, a spinal energetics practitioner, business energetics coach, energy healer, fitness coach and, most importantly, a dog mom. That's right, my furry friend is always here for the good vibes, but today it's all about helping industry leading entrepreneurs just like you unlock the secrets to healing your nervous system and paving the way for more profit and peace and business, life, relationships and health. This podcast is your safe space where we're going to go beyond the basic business strategy and personal development. We're here to cut out the BS and create a life and business that you fucking love. Expect raw, unfiltered conversations and leave each episode with a toolbox full of tips, insights and a tribe of like-minded souls. Go ahead and hit that subscribe button and with that, let's dive into today's episode. What's up everyone? Okay, I have a really special guest today. Her name is Brenda. Brenda, what's up, girl. Welcome to the party.
Brenda Flores:Hi, thank you so much for having me so excited.
Amanda O'Mara:I was really excited about this one because Brenda is also a spinal energetics practitioner and we get to meet next weekend, which I'm so freaking pumped about.
Brenda Flores:Girl, I'm so excited.
Amanda O'Mara:Yeah, so I couldn't think of a better time to have you on and just talk about you, your story, what you do, maybe I don't know. We'll just see where the conversation leads us. How does that sound?
Amanda O'Mara:I love it Awesome, well, awesome, well. Let me introduce you a little bit, so let me see what we have written down here and then I'll let you take over. So, brenda Flores here. She's the founder of Two Moons Studio, which is located in the DC metropolitan area. So if you're from that area, please go check her out.
Amanda O'Mara:So she really she works with individuals who are experiencing chronic physical pain, and we're going to be hearing her story today about that and how she can help you as well. So, really, anyone who's feeling disconnected from themselves, seeking to create transformative shifts in their lives and to unlock their truest potential this is what she helps with, which is freaking badass. So Brenda really helps with supporting high achieving individuals who are facing the burnout. Okay, we have very similar niches here. I love this. We're going to dive into some good juicy stuff today. So, yeah, she helps you with breaking past any barriers and reconnecting you and rediscovering your purpose. So, brenda, what's up girl? Tell us a little bit more about you and I hope I hit the nail on the head. If you want to add to that, please do.
Brenda Flores:Thank you so much. No, you did. You definitely hit the nail on the head. I appreciate you so much. First, thank you so much for having me on your podcast. Just listening through some of your episodes, I felt very aligned and I was like, yes, I guess we got here with her. So thank you so much for making the space for me to come on and share a little bit about what we do and dive a little bit deeper into that. So excited, yeah, yeah, and.
Brenda Flores:But in a nutshell, you know what I? What I do is is really because of what I experience in my life. I know I had mentioned to you that I work with a lot of people who have chronic pain, specifically a lot of undiagnosed chronic pain, which is something that doesn't get talked about a lot in the Western culture is, you know, there's a lot of diagnoses of different diseases or illnesses. You know there's a lot of diagnoses of different diseases or illnesses, but when you're work, when you're dealing with undiagnosable pain, you're kind of left in this limbo of what am I supposed to do? Where else can I go? Who can help you, doctor? Xxx?
Amanda O'Mara:Yeah, who are like some of the people that you see. Like, when it comes to that, like what do you mean by undiagnosed? Like they've just they've been to so many doctors and every doctor is just like I don't know what this is, or oh, you have anxiety, or oh, you have a cold, like they don't really. Yeah, it's surface.
Brenda Flores:So for me I can speak on mine specifically. I had chronic head pain, so it was almost like a chronic migraine that would never go away. It caused head pressure, jaw pressure, neck pressure, neck pain, shoulder pain, a lot of brain fog. I had something called that were like pseudo seizures, where my body would convulse like it was having a seizure, but it was not an actual seizure on paper and the way that they track seizures.
Brenda Flores:It was not. It would not show that way. So when that happens, they categorize you as someone who's having like a mental breakdown, or you know it's something psychological and psychiatric.
Brenda Flores:Really, because you're having a headache, something psychological and psychiatric, Really, Because you're having a headache, Right, I mean it got to the point, I mean I can tell you I got to the point where I lost hearing in my left ear and I was peripheral vision in both of my eyes. And the ophthalmologist and the three different neurologists that I would go to were would give me pharmaceutical after pharmaceutical to treat the symptoms of a headache or a migraine or these, these, uh, pains that I was having, but never getting to the root cause.
Amanda O'Mara:Oh man, this is actually kind of hitting home, because I've actually struggled my entire life, since my first menstrual cycle at the age of 13, major migraines, and it's only until I got into spinal energetics that they started to go away. Well, okay, yeah, keep going, yeah.
Brenda Flores:But. But that's what I mean with undiagnosed like undiagnosed. So you're having an issue that the doctors don't really understand why it's continuing to happen, why it's become chronic. Chronic is anything that is persistent and won't go away, no matter what they throw at it and what they. What happens is that you fall into into this little box like a category of. You're that person who may be baby seeking drugs, might just it might all be in their head.
Brenda Flores:I had a lot of people say you know, oh, you know, your pain tolerance is just not as high as others, and so, basically dismissing the fact that I couldn't get up in the morning and function like a human being, and it wasn't until I started seeking outside of Western medicine. So I started with like acupuncture and I started getting some relief from methods where I also felt heard and seen and the the practitioners would touch me, unlike my you know, my regular medicine doctors, my regular neurologist or general practitioners, who barely ever even touched my head, even though that's where my pain was so, interestingly enough, it was until I actually left the US. I went to another country. I actually went to El Salvador to see a naturopathic doctor who was recommended to me. I went there and a week in from working with him, almost all of my symptoms were gone.
Amanda O'Mara:No way, really Okay. What's his name? Where's his address?
Brenda Flores:And yes it is. It was a lot. You know you have to buy a plane ticket, you have to know where you're going, you have to stay there. But it was to the point where I just would not accept that this was my life. And when a doctor tells you you just have to accept this might be your new normal. I'm not okay with that and I was like no way, I cannot have two kids. I have a business. I need to be able to live a normal life.
Amanda O'Mara:Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, Hello. I remember like going to get help so many times for my migraines and they started putting me on these weird diets and stuff and it just kept getting worse and worse and worse. And they told me, like don't take any medication for you know, and I had this horrible migraine episode and it went on for three days. I literally could not leave my couch and I was in so much pain and finally I just like called the doctor. I was like please, like I have to take something for it. And they prescribed me some steroids and it went away. But I'm like this isn't like it just kept coming back and it had come back after. It's like why are we taking these surface level solutions instead of just getting to the root of where this is coming from, you know?
Brenda Flores:so yeah and I've found. You know, I ended up, out of desperation, really going digging deeper into this and, like I was, I joined Facebook groups. There was was thousands, thousands of people dealing with undiagnosed pain and it just felt so hopeless. You know that they, they were living with it for a lot longer than I was, you know, and I was like how I can't be, you know, I can't go on another few years in this same pattern. Yeah, and that's what I mean when we talk about what are my clients are people who have undiagnosed pain. It can be chronic muscle spasms, like they do, you know, a little bit of activity and all of a sudden their muscles just contract. Chronic, chronic fatigue, chronic that's big.
Amanda O'Mara:That's big with entrepreneurs, just like moms too. Right the exhaustion, pure exhaustion.
Brenda Flores:Yeah, yeah, and at the time I was a very I was an overachiever, I worked really long hours, I had my regular full-time job and I started a business, you know, back in 2017, I think it was the hardest part. I was literally working almost two full-time jobs. I think it was the hardest part. I was literally working almost two full-time jobs one on our business our family business and one at a corporate job and I think that that's really what started this the pain getting worse and worse and worse, as the stress would just come over me.
Brenda Flores:And then you come to find, when I went to the doctor the naturopathic doctor in El Salvador. Then you come to find, when I went to the doctor the naturopathic doctor in El Salvador I was literally in a chronic state or fight or flight, and that's what caused all the muscles around my head to contract and then never let go. They're compressing against all the nerves. So my eyes would flutter all the time. I wasn't getting enough sleep. I wasn't able to rest. Even if I felt like I slept for hours, I wasn't getting rest, which then messed up the performance of the things that I had to do. I would wake up and I wouldn't perform as well. I couldn't be as present as I wanted to be, and I think that's why a lot of people who are overachievers, who are business owners, who are living in a hustle mode or entrepreneurs, they, they struggle a lot with um, with that stress, and that creates those tension bound patterns in their body.
Amanda O'Mara:Um, oh yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, it's so common, especially in entrepreneurs like the restless nights, like not being able to thinking about work 24 seven. You know, I remember I used to go on vacation. It was so hard for me to like detach from work and not think about my clients, um my team, and just like enjoy my vacation. I felt guilty, just like a mom feels guilty, to like she tries to take care of herself. That was me as a, as a business owner, like I needed to take care of my, my family, my team, you know like, and my clients, and. But I couldn't. I couldn't, um, just trust myself enough, and I've heard that before A lot of times. A lot of headaches can come from just like that lack of internal trust and really trusting yourself to let go of things you can't control.
Brenda Flores:Yes, that's really what it is is the lack of being able to let go of control. It's we live in a, you know, a society that's very much about control and how they control consumers, how they control the employees, and so we get stuck into that and, yeah, it's a very, very defeating pattern that you don't like. Your body will give you small cues that your body will tell you, little by little I need rest.
Brenda Flores:I need more water, I need all these little things. Right, we start to feel it. We might get dizzy when we get up or we might be super tired or not being able to to feel as energized in the morning.
Brenda Flores:Those are little bits of cues that our body is giving us and saying hey, pay attention to me. So for people with chronic pain, it starts with just a headache once in a while. Then it can go from a migraine once in a while that lasts three days, and then a few months go by and then it's the headaches come back, hands start shaking like I couldn't even take pictures of checks to deposit checks, because so at that point I knew something was wrong, but I still didn't listen to my body. It was almost like my body had to be like no, listen to me and no more. You know, really, pay attention.
Amanda O'Mara:It's like your body's, like hello I'm here, Literally screaming for help through symptoms like she just described. And you know, whenever I think of headaches, what I was always hit home for me was how much pressure are you putting on yourself? Like, literally, it's pressure building up in your head and so we're in your life. Are you putting on too much pressure on yourself? And for me I found it calm. Come in, let me know if this resonates with you too, brenda, where it's a lot of the perfectionist too. Yeah, like we are high achievers, we want things to look really good and perfect and so we put that added unnecessary pressure on us, and that's where a lot of head gain, head stuff comes up, the migraines and whatnot.
Brenda Flores:Yeah, yeah, it definitely resonates with me. I think a lot of it's. You know, working with other high achievers, we have very similar, you know, symptoms or characteristics of our personality. We're, all you know, you know, highly hyper aware of things, very attention, detailed oriented, organized when it comes to, like our work especially, um, we're always like thinking ahead, three steps ahead, thinking in the future, planning for the future, setting up the goals, looking at metrics, all these things, and so we don't just have the pressure of that present moment, we have the added pressure that we're putting ourselves for the future. Yeah, like we have to achieve this by this year, year three. We have to do this by quarter four. We have to do this, you know. So it's very much, uh, once you get out of one thing that you've accomplished, you already have six things already in line.
Amanda O'Mara:So it's very difficult to get out of that cycle. Anxiety is another big symptom around this too. Um, yeah, I used to have a lot of panic attacks which are more from like trauma, but I mean, migraines are from trauma too, if we wanna get into that. But yeah, you know what I mean. It's just so much when it comes to entrepreneurs and how much of that pressure we actually put on ourselves and not realizing it, and I didn't even realize it. I thought that was normal. It wasn't until somebody literally told me, like Amanda, that's not normal. I'm like, oh, so I hope whoever's listening to this right now with us is like oh, that's not normal.
Brenda Flores:Yeah, absolutely. I didn't know it was not normal to to um, to plan like that, put so much pressure myself to to literally have all these ideas come through, writing them down. I felt like it was just who I was. But my dad was an entrepreneur and I saw him go through the very same things of like at pressuring himself to to think of the next idea, the next business idea. If something failed. He put a lot of pressure on himself. He had a family too, and we know that that comes with stress, but it was, it was learned behavior for me, like I learned that that was his norm and that was my norm growing up. So that's what I became, essentially.
Brenda Flores:You know, I just repeated that pattern. You know, and it's it's beautiful to be able to be on the other side of it and still still find ways of being successful. And I do air quotes around that because it's different for everyone what that word means. But finding what works for you as a person, for you, for your family, for your lifestyle, is so important because it's not cookie cutter, it's not one shape fits all, it definitely isn't like there's so many different industries, right, but apart from that, there's also different individuals, and that's what I've learned through all of this is that you can still find success. You can still work really hard on your business, but finding ways to connect with yourself again is so important. So that you don't burn out, so you don't have pain, so that you don't burn out, so you don't have pain, so that you don't have anxiety attacks, so you can work through the day thriving not just living and be at your optimum.
Amanda O'Mara:You know potential yeah, I mean that's why we call this podcast the calm CEO, because that's what happened with me. I was that super dysregulated, anxious, headaches every day, entrepreneur, struggling, and I was very successful, but I was no matter how hard I worked, I was never satisfied. It was never enough. And yeah, oh man, yeah, yeah, I want to hear more like the, the uh, if you're open and you know comfortable with it, talking about the trauma and maybe where headaches and that pressure really come from. It sounds like maybe from the family and your dad being an entrepreneur.
Amanda O'Mara:I too, my dad, was very successful as a doctor, but what's behind that? Even you know, I talk a lot about like with my dad. It felt like the only love or attention I would get from him was when I was doing really good in school, you know, getting those straight A's and like making sure the house was clean before I got home, and then that's when I would get recognized for something. And so something was programmed in me at such a young age where, in order to be loved, I have to do this, I have to be perfect at this and this and this, and that's kind of how that started. So, underneath all of the trauma, was this programming or conditioning or belief of like if I don't do this correctly or perfectly, then I won't be loved?
Brenda Flores:Oh, that's hard. Thank you so much for sharing that and being so vulnerable about that. That's a, you know, a layer that a lot of people don't pull back when they're looking at oh I'm this way, I'm just this way. You know, they don't pull that layer back. So it is so important for us to, in order to feel good and move forward with our life, is to peel back that layer, look back and say, okay, where, where did this start, where did this happen? And so thank you for sharing that.
Brenda Flores:I too, actually, I experienced a little bit of the same in a different way.
Brenda Flores:So we're first generation immigrants from Bolivia, so my parents both immigrated from Bolivia, and with the immigrant mentality comes a lot of like you have to work to the bone because you came and left everything and this is the only opportunity and only shot you have.
Brenda Flores:And so for my dad, an entrepreneur with that added pressure he you know both him and my mom worked in several different businesses. He always had lots of business ideas and he was working actively in them, so my parents weren't always around. At a very young age I was I had to really step into the role of like you know, helping my sister being in the house. I even at some point helped them negotiate a mortgage deal because they couldn't understand so a lot of and I'm sure this will resonate with other listeners who are also from immigrant parents that they felt that they were kind of the parent in a lot of times or had to kind of step in because their parents didn't speak English and into the language and didn't know how to articulate or advocate for themselves in that way, and that you're kind of just thrown in to figure it out.
Brenda Flores:Like I never had help with homework and I love my parents. They were great parents. They did give me a lot of love when they were there, but they weren't always there because they were working so hard for us. So because of that, I was a very rebellious teenager. I think I rebelled a lot because I really wanted that attention that they couldn't give me, and so I would literally come home bloodshot eyes and like stare at them and be like, yeah, say something, like I wanted to say something, because I wanted them to notice that I, you know, was under the influence or I smelled like cigarettes, but unfortunately, you know, they didn't.
Brenda Flores:And a lot now, after you know really working through that, I understand that like they lived a whole different life their. Their main goal was to provide for us, and the way that they provided for us was give us a roof over our head, you know, warm food in our bellies and opportunities, and that's what my dad always wanted. It was like through business I can get my kids opportunities. I can have them, you know, pay for college and all this stuff.
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Brenda Flores:I understand that now, but at the time, 13, 14-year-old Brenda really just wanted attention from her parents, and so that's where that that rebellious side came out. I led me down a very dangerous path of hanging out with a lot of not the right people, people that took advantage of my, my vulnerability, of where I was as a child, you know, as a teenager, and through that stem, the, I need to be in control of things.
Brenda Flores:I will never again be out of control. So that's where it began for me, and that with the entrepreneur mindset was like a catalyst for the mess that came After a few years of working really, really hard for the attention of her parents and that validation from society that I so craved.
Amanda O'Mara:Wow, wow, thank you for sharing that. I feel like so many people are going to like totally resonate with that and understand. Yeah, I spoke about this in another episode.
Amanda O'Mara:When I did ayahuasca, I was shown this vision of this my IUD, my birth control and it was like the main theme throughout my entire ceremony of like trying to get this IUD out of me energetically and it like did by the end. But then I was like so confused, like what does this mean? And I didn't know until the longest time, and then finally I figured it out it's birth control control. Like I needed to let go of control and letting go of that pressure Because we hold on to that, because that's how we think we can survive in this world, by controlling the situation and maybe those around us and what we're doing. And yeah, it was like me, it was like with my team and my experience with it, like I couldn't stop thinking about them because, in a way, I felt like I had to control the situation because I didn't trust myself enough to trust them enough to just take over and let things flow.
Brenda Flores:Yeah, I resonate that a lot with that a lot. So there's that the inability to delegate things. Yeah, ability to let go of things that feel like they're yours, even though they're your teams and you're you know you are their leader. You will help them through and you show them they. They're your teams and you're you know you are their leader. You will help them through and you show them they they're your team. For a reason and that was one of the big things for me was I always was like I was about to ask for help or something and I would just I'm just gonna do it.
Amanda O'Mara:Yeah, yeah, we have a hard time asking for help. Yeah, oh yeah.
Brenda Flores:For a lot of business owners and overachievers and entrepreneurs, it's the control of. No one's going to love my business more than I. No one's going to work harder for my business than I am. Yeah, why would I delegate this? I've been at my home, you know, this entire time. I can do. I've been doing all of these things for this entire time, for x amount of years, and now you want me to let go and give this baby to someone.
Amanda O'Mara:Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh God. Yes, that was me. Hey, oh, yeah, yeah, okay. So so tell us a little bit more about, like, what you're doing now and maybe what you see a lot in clients when it comes to chronic pain. I know I get a lot of like back pain too, right? Talk about some of the other common types of pain chronic pain.
Brenda Flores:So I have a lot of clients who have chronic back, lower end upper back pain, a lot of migraines, a lot of shoulder and neck pain.
Brenda Flores:Again, just most of them are type A personalities who have a lot of stress who are, even if they're not type A, they're just in a very stressful situation that they have not been able to get out of. Muscle spasms are another really big thing where people they, they their muscle spasm in the point in areas where it's not feasible to do their job or to do their work. So there's athletes that sometimes will get muscle spasms at the most worst time ever. People who drive a lot of drivers, who sit for long periods of time, also have a lot of lower back pain and they're like oh yeah, those that sit at a desk too all day probably.
Brenda Flores:Yes, yeah, a lot of the. I mean that's pretty much like everyone in the world. Yeah right, you know all of yeah, a lot of.
Amanda O'Mara:I mean that's pretty much like everyone in the world right, all of us sitting on our phones to and hunched over, not realizing our posture Definitely.
Brenda Flores:Yeah, so there's a lot of people who have like nerve pain, so carpal tunnel. They'll have like their arms and their limbs will get like really numb and tingly a lot and they're not sure why. And they've seen doctors and their circulation is fine and they're not sure why, um, and they've seen doctors and their circulation is fine. So they're not sure what it is and they're told it's just pinched nerve and they have to wear a brace or deal with it. But really it's, uh, it comes from the, the dysregulated nervous system your body is just saying, hey, pay attention to me here.
Brenda Flores:Um, so, so that's a lot of the clients that I see that have chronic pain. I've had a few to a lot who have like fibromyalgia, so things that are diagnosed but still very misunderstood, like they don't know why it happens. They have like a lot of autoimmune disease that just comes up pots, which is a really big one pot, same yeah, yeah, question marks around it and it's almost like they just decided to just diagnose them, just to diagnose them. So a mixture of diagnosed but the things don't add up, and then a lot of undiagnosed, so that and to be completely honest, amanda, there is so many different people in this world who experience the same kind of things. It's astonishing to me that there isn't more information out there that helps people like who doesn't have a headache once in a while? And anything that you read about a headache is Tylenol, ibuprofen and anything that you read about a headache is Tylenol ibuprofen.
Brenda Flores:If you can't deal with that, go in for a migraine cocktail at the ER. They'll just juice you on up and it'll cut it and you'll be fine, and then after that it's steroids. So there are very much like. This is what you do if you have a headache. This is what you do if you have a migraine. But they don't work together to work with the person like an individualized plan to treat them and figure out what's wrong with them.
Brenda Flores:Yeah the headache or the back pain or the numbness is just a symptom of what's really happening underneath everything.
Amanda O'Mara:Oh, totally, yeah, I mean, I mean definitely so much credit to doctors and you know everybody has their place out there, but why not look at the body as a whole? You know, like as a whole, like, yeah, I think um, medicine is good if it's, you know, as a temporary solution depending on where you're at, but eventually, it can save your life. Let's just be honest oh yeah, medicine can save your life.
Brenda Flores:It has a place. Be honest, medicine can save your life. It has a place in this world. Doctors have a place in this world. I love my general doctor, my physician now. She's great.
Brenda Flores:I think that, like you were saying, there's not one central. They have to really communicate with each other. So if you have one really great doctor and they send you to a specialist for something that doctor might not be in the same like, share the same style and approach as the doctor that you really like, and that's where there's a disconnect. There's just so many different people and they're all practicing, you know, from different places places of love, places of education, places of both of those together, you know.
Brenda Flores:So it's difficult when there's a lot of doctors, and what happens with chronic pain is that most of the time your, your general doctor, doesn't know how to help you anymore and that's why they send you to different doctors and so you're seeing like this specialist and that specialist and the other specialist and the eye doctor and the dentist, to see if it's jaw, all these different doctors, and it's hard to communicate. For everyone to communicate cohesively, right. It doesn't mean that they're bad, you know, they're good people at the core. They're doing the best that they know how, but sometimes I wish that the system was not so broken where people could get more help in one place, and that's where I feel like there's a little bit of a gap.
Amanda O'Mara:Yeah, I agree, it's the missing link. So do you just do spinal energetics or do you do anything else with your clients?
Brenda Flores:Sure, so I am a Reiki practitioner and that's actually the first thing I got certified in. It's something that I used to help me stay in a calm state. Yeah, I was like I want to share this with other people. So I'm a Reiki practitioner, I facilitate breath work, and then I also have community circles with the women and co-ed as well, where we would do cacao, we do microdose and really just build a community, because a lot of times that's really really what people need is just support from each other.
Amanda O'Mara:Yeah, that sense of belonging for sure. Wow, that's incredible. Do you have any like transformations you want to share with us, like client results and any of that?
Brenda Flores:So many, but the couple that come to my mind especially about. So I have two really great examples. So one of my clients who came to me had chronic muscle spasms. He, he could not. He would have periods of time every year.
Brenda Flores:He would always go through these cycles of muscle spasms where his lower back and legs would just start spasming and they were very painful, he couldn't work, would last a week or two. So imagine having to take two weeks every few months off of work to be able to just get better. And by getting better it's really just taking medication, laying in bed and resting and then it would happen again. So it was a very continuous cycle for years, since he was 18 years old, and so when he came to see me we worked a lot on just his reconnection to his body. He had learned to disassociate from his body because of the pain that he experienced. He would just say always that he was fine, he was fine, he was fine, and that was just kind of like. The norm for him was to experience these muscle spasms and, um, he's.
Brenda Flores:He's seen me about six times now but, around the second and third visit he had, he said that he felt almost like his muscles just kind of release, and he went to the doctor. Two days later he had grew, grown two inches Like his height his height, two inches. And and the way that that shows is because the muscles were so compressed, so tight, they were pulling him down. So as those muscles started to release, as those muscles started to release, she was able to stand taller. Yeah.
Brenda Flores:Oh my God, it was amazing to hear he was so excited. He still, to this day, talks about how this work has helped him grow in height.
Amanda O'Mara:Yeah, we don't need surgery, guys, get taller, just have spinal energetics.
Brenda Flores:Exactly yes, and he's had a huge decrease in the amount of spasms he gets. He can work through the spasms. He learned to reconnect with his body. He can breathe to those areas and allow his body to kind of unwind in a natural way.
Brenda Flores:Versus as soon as like you have to understand with chronic pain, amanda you do not want to get it, so you're constantly worried that you're going to get it. You're constantly already anticipating that pain. So you get into this tight spot of your muscles already feeling like they're going to start getting sick or you're just going to start experiencing the pain. And so that's what I think is what works with spinal energetics is you become a person that's so much more in tune with their body that you're able to let go of that control of having to know if you're about to get pain, if you're about to experience that pain, and through that comes less pain and the ability to work through the pain as it comes up. So he's had great results through this work. He's able to work and function. Even if he does get a few spasms, he's able to really work through them, and that to me is he said it's life-changing it really is life-changing. That's amazing.
Amanda O'Mara:Yeah, I'm even like noticing throughout our whole conversation. There's been a few times I had to like relax my shoulders and my neck, Like you just become so much more aware, the more in tune you are with your body, Like, oh, I'm contracting right now let's let that go real quick.
Brenda Flores:You know, yeah, and that's the whole point. You know, because you do this work too is through that reconnection comes that awareness.
Brenda Flores:So, you learn what it feels like to clench your jaw, even though before you might have clenched your jaw all the time and you didn't notice you were doing it. When you become, you know, more in tune with your body, you can feel what that softness feels like. You can feel what it feels like to just loosen that and you don't want to keep experiencing that tightness. So you remind yourself that it's okay to let go, it's okay to unclench.
Amanda O'Mara:Everybody. Just take a deep breath right now and relax. Oh God, yeah, yeah, it's just, it's so interesting, like even just your posture too, like are you hunching over? Are you sitting up straight? Like where's your body at right now? And just take a moment to just notice it, right?
Brenda Flores:Just pause and reflect.
Amanda O'Mara:Yeah, incredible.
Brenda Flores:Yeah, yeah. So that's. There's so many wonderful stories, but a lot, of, a lot of the clients I also see. I've seen quite a few family members, so daughters with moms, grandmothers, fathers with their sons. There's been like a huge I don't know if it's a shift or something, but where a lot of these clients are coming to me because their mom came to me or their sister came to me and they're also looking to get in tune with their body and dig a little bit deeper into some of those wounds that sometimes can happen through your ancestors, through your lineage, through your parents, those learned behaviors and patterns that you don't even know sometimes, that they're learned behaviors and patterns.
Amanda O'Mara:Right oh yeah, yeah, I definitely want to talk about ancestral stuff, because that's been obviously a newer thing with level two spinal energetics they go really deep into that and the DNA, and uh, they say that trauma can get passed down by seven generations. Seven generations, which is just wild to me it's a wild journey to know it's almost.
Brenda Flores:I have a lot of clients in myself too. At one point I was like why? Why is it fair? I don't want your stuff. Yeah, I didn't deserve this there's so many great. Why do I have to deal with great, great, great, great grandma?
Amanda O'Mara:there's so many memes out there when it comes to ancestral stuff yeah, you're just lugging along.
Brenda Flores:So, apart from just your things, apart from your own experiences, you're also, you know, pulling all of that with you and um, and that's been a big theme, I would say, probably the last maybe four to six months, where there's been a lot of people who have made a lot of progress in their individual lives, like as just them, but that they said like there's something that feels, like it's almost like pulling me back, like there's like, as soon as I gain traction, I get pulled back into this pattern or into this behavior, or my mom triggers me, or my dad triggers me, and I don't know why they're triggering me so much.
Brenda Flores:And I've noticed that through working with the different generations that some of my clients are, it's allowed them to really dig deeper, like we've had a grandma, the mom and the daughter, so three generations here in this space, and everyone is so different, yet so alike in the same way, like that, when you're talking about down to a molecule, down to the dna, it's so interesting to see a lot of the same things be occurring in their lives even though they're ages apart. Yeah, so I feel, I feel very grateful I'm sure you do too so grateful to be able to experience this work with them, to see the clients putting in that work yeah, buying that ain't easy, that's for sure it is not, and I get chills when I think about it, because it is not easy there.
Brenda Flores:It's easier to just say, never mind, I'm not going to go down that road, it's too, much yeah, or uh, uh, been there, done that.
Brenda Flores:I'm just going to close the box, but no matter how much you try, like as soon as you open this, people refer to as it as a Pandora's box the Pandora's box has like a very negative thing right Like when we think of it, we're like, oh, chaos and destruction and this, and that I feel like it's a gift. A box that you open that's a gift and it just keeps giving and some of it is great, some of it is not great. Some of it you look at it, you get super excited. Yes, thank you, aunt Patty, I love this gift. And then you're like oh, uncle Tom like that kind of sucks. You know he gave me socks, so it's like that's how I I like socks.
Brenda Flores:I know too.
Amanda O'Mara:I mean, you know when. I was a kid. If anybody wants to get me a gift for Christmas, get me socks. I love socks. There's my address.
Brenda Flores:But yeah, I mean, of course I love socks, but when you're a kid you want, you know yeah, you want, you want a game, yeah or whatever.
Amanda O'Mara:Or a.
Brenda Flores:Barbie.
Amanda O'Mara:Yeah.
Brenda Flores:So, instead of a Pandora's box, to me it's a gift box and once you open it and you start digging deeper the awareness that you gain through that journey, it's very hard to shut that box.
Amanda O'Mara:Yeah, yeah.
Brenda Flores:It's very that voice in your head that knows just a little bit more. That's your intuition. As that grew stronger, it's harder to not pay attention and to not listen to it. So I find, for my clients who come and maybe they come only one time and they're just like it's too much, or I'm good, now I feel better and they don't want to keep digging a little bit deeper I find that either way, that voice, that box was open and that voice and that awareness is still there. So if I can say anything to any of your listeners is you know, just listen to that voice, because it's you, it's yourself saying and you can do that, we can do this you know, yes, and just move forward in it.
Brenda Flores:And know it's scary, I know it's challenging it. There is really hard things that you're gonna have to face, but a lot of it is like you don't even have to really face it, like you can walk through it. Don't look, don't look at the side, don't look at the face coming up. You're walking through that dark tunnel and it's scary and it's challenging, but just keep walking. Just keep walking.
Amanda O'Mara:I know I will say too, like I know I said it's no, it's really hard, but at the same time, like once you're in it, it's actually very cathartic feeling, Like it's um, it kind of feels good to just let it go. And it's not. It's never as bad as I think it's going to be either and my clients report the same thing back to me too. Like, so if you're like afraid to really go into the deep ancestral healing work, like just know, it's maybe not as bad as you think.
Brenda Flores:I'll just put it out there yeah, absolutely, and I find that you know there's so many more people in this community now that are ready to support you yeah, like brenda here, yeah yeah, I think before it was something that a lot of people shied away from talking about because it wasn't your own like.
Brenda Flores:like you know how you go to therapy, you're talking about your stuff and other people's stuff. But when you're digging deep's, like it's not just your own stuff, it's the stuff that you were given, it's the stuff that was passed down and that can bring up some very difficult conversations. That can bring up some difficult feelings for a lot of people who are used to never talking about things that have happened in their family or experiences that have happened in their family. So just know that when they're where there is a safe space whether that's with Amanda, with me or any other practitioner that you feel safe with it's okay to dig a little deeper and allow yourself to feel supported in the areas that you haven't felt supported in before.
Amanda O'Mara:Yes, yes, wow, or go to El Salvador, yes, yes.
Brenda Flores:Wow, or go to El Salvador. We'll start a chat for everyone who wants to go. Yeah, everyone's going to.
Amanda O'Mara:El Salvador. I like warm. Wait, is it warm down there? It?
Brenda Flores:is. It is Okay. Yeah, it's nice.
Amanda O'Mara:A little vacation. You know, make a trip out of it. We'll go on a trip down there. Yeah, that sounds good. Well, this was amazing. Thank you, Brenda, for sharing your beautiful knowledge with us and your gifts with the world. And yeah, I feel like this is definitely going to hit home for a lot of people, especially when it comes to headaches, as somebody who's a high achiever there's a lot of high achievers that listen to this, so I think this is going to help a lot and, if it did, please let us know. Maybe screenshot this tag. Both of us will drop both of our links below. Um, that you listened to it and, um, yeah, anything else you want to share, brenda, before we jump off.
Brenda Flores:I just want to say thank you so much for having me on I. Um, I'm very grateful. I'm excited for people to give us feedback. Let us know if they, if we can support them in any way. But thank you so much, amanda, for having me.
Amanda O'Mara:I can't wait to squeeze you next weekend in New Jersey. It's going to be so fun. Watch out, world. We're getting together. I don't know if that's good thing or bad thing. It'll be fun. It'll be fun, all right, brenda. See you soon. Love you so much. Bye.
